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 Post subject: 944 S2 Cab
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:24 am 
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Morning everyone,
Another newbie here with a cab bought in 1998 (29,900 mls) now 81,000.
I had the belts, tensioners, water pump etc changed 4 years (11,000 mls) ago. Heard a rattle a few days ago, took it to my local mechanic who said the water pump is shot to bits! a little surprised as only 11,000 mls covered.
Just wondering if anyone could kindly direct me to a supplier that people here use. OEM would be fine. I've seen a couple of used/refurbs for sale but assume I should avoid as I have no idea what I'm looking at. Should I also consider the belts etc, only 11,000 mls but it has been 4 years!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Often the 1st job 4 every new 944 owner, belts. And water pump MIT as well be changed while ur in there, I would get the belts changed as well, there coming off 4 the pump anyway.

I don't really understand the opening line? New cab owner, brought 98? Now 2012 89000miles

Could be the belt tension was wrong possabile 2 tight, wearing out the new water pump?

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t3rra wrote:
Often the 1st job 4 every new 944 owner, belts. And water pump MIT as well be changed while ur in there, I would get the belts changed as well, there coming off 4 the pump anyway.


Could be the belt tension was wrong possabile 2 tight, wearing out the new water pump?


But if you had the car 14 years I'm sure u would off noticed the difference in belt tension and noise?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:18 pm 
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I meant new to this site, had the cab since 1998. No obvious noise other than the water pump issue a few days ago. You're right, may as well have the belts changed to be safe.

Apparently the fan belt was also a tad loose, you'll have to bear with me as I have no mechanical knowledge, however, love the car and will do some work over the winter, new hood required as still with the original, leather seat refurb - repair two small tears and a good clean. Clock not working, apart from this all seems fine.

I'm sure I'll be back with some ridiculously naive questions!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Looks like you intend keeping the car so it might be worth getting a new Cam chain fitted (the single tooth Cam belt drives the Exhaust camshaft, the inlet is simplex chain driven with centrally mounted sprockets). Its a bit like a bike if you change the Chain regularly then the sprockets last much longer. Sprockets are an integral part of each camshaft & if worn out mean new camshafts ££££)
Hartech advised if the cam chain is changed every 30k or so then the camshafts sprockets should last 150k+ (Well worth the extra few quid IMHO -had mine done on my S2 CAB at 32k then sold it so somebody else got the benefit!)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:12 pm 
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Thanks Clive and everyone else for the info, all very helpful.
Does anyone have any suggestions where I could buy reasonably priced parts? initially water pump & gasket, also cam chain, belts etc? I have a good one man operation locally to do the work and he is happy for me to source any parts.
Thanks for all the useful advice!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:19 pm 
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Hi Blackrock,

Welcome to the forum.

We list the real OEM (original equipment manufacturer, or simply the people who supply Porsche) Waterpumps on our online shop at http://www.jmgshop.com/water-pump---944-2730-all-models-inc-lux-s2-and-968-149-p.asp

If you are a TIPEC member, you get 10% off of that price.

The only real difference between an OEM waterpump and a Genuine Porsche one is the box it comes in, sometimes with OEM parts the part number embossed in the item has been sanded off, this is normal and due to the manufacturer only being allowed to sell to other distributors other than Porsche as long as they do not carry the Genuine Porsche triangular stamp and the Porsche part number, which are both legally owned by Porsche.

There is a chance that your old waterpump was what some online suppliers call and OEM waterpump, which should really be referred to as an "Aftermarket" part, which in some cases can be really inferior and may explain why your one did not last.

There is even one national supplier of Porsche parts which was selling brake disks a couple of years ago they called OEM, unfortunately they sent me some of these OEM parts.. They were not "Original Equipment Manufacturer" parts, but instead seemed to be made by a company called "O.E.M" and were really nasty quality.. The other suspect thing about them was they had "Made In Germany" as a sticker on the box... When I pressed the manufacturer they admitted the "Box" was made in Germany, the disks inside were made in India... I disgusting play on words and skirting around the law, but stuff like this goes on all the time... Then of course you get the counterfeit parts, such as Bosch MAF sensors for Boxsters, identical to a real Bosch one, but actually fake from eastern Europe, I have had these bought to me by customers wishing to supply their own parts in the past, and one of the reasons I am not keen on fitting customer supplied parts... They are not just poor quality, but when spotted can make a mockery of my busy schedule where all of a sudden we can't repair the car or do other work while we wait for a customer to call us back.

I typically recommend the belts are changed every 4 years, even if the car has not turned a wheel, the rubber in the belt breaks down with age and becomes exponentially weaker with every month after 4 years. As far as wear is concerned, 40,000 miles is the point where the belt begins to wear to a point where it is weaker. So you really need it changing every 4 years or 40,000 miles, whichever comes first.

The waterpump, tensioners, rollers and front engine oil seals are usually recommended to be changed on your car every 8 years, or 80,000 miles. The seals in the tensioner and roller bearings, the waterpump and the engine oil seals, tend to last 8 years before they also begin to degrade, which is why a little after this time all these components become noisy or fail, is because without the seals the items are no longer able to perform correctly.

There is always a chance that your old waterpump was a genuine one or an OEM one, but if it has been in stock somewhere for 4 years before you got it, there is always a chance it was age expired before you even had it installed. It is another reason why we buy direct from the manufacturer..

If you buy from a main dealer or even Porsche GB, they do not rotate their stock like a greengrocer would perishable items, in other words, the first pump they bought would be the first onto the shelf, possibly years ago.. then whenever they get down to a certain number remaining, they will order more... But if you buy at a time when their stock is low, you are more likely to get an older and older pump that has been in stock for donkeys years.

A good example of this was a couple of years ago where Porsche were selling 964 Turbo brake calipers VERY cheap, the reason was that they discovered that they had a stock where the Porsche warehouse in Germany had lots of sets, that had become dusty at the back of the shelf, where the front of the racking had been sold and replenished many times over, the result was that although these calipers were in perfect condition, they knew they were anything up to 15 years old and the seals were rated with a lifespan of 8 years... they were probably ok, but Porsche did not want the risk of selling them as new items.

So there are several reasons why your waterpump may have failed already, but I think it is possibly for a very good reason.

Your belt being loose could be because it is weakening with age, which will make it slack.. the other thing, did you have it retensioned after 1500 miles? Sometimes a new belt, in particular some manufacturers (Porsche themselves use 3 or 4 belt manufacturers) can de-tension between 400 and 1200 miles after installation, this is down the the specification of the materials and the amount of "flashing" left from the belt molding process.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:02 pm 
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Jon, Apologies for the late response but have been away for a couple of weeks. Many thanks indeed for the information provided, very interesting!. I will call your garage later today/tomorrow and order the water pump. I already have belts bought from a local 944 S2 owner here who sold his cab a few months ago and never got around to putting the new set on.
Just looking at the car right now I think I have a project on my hands over the winter. Bodywork is still very good, a few spots need sorting, also the hood is original, still works well but perspex rear window is very milky. Also both seats need some work, a couple of small tears but should look great when refurbished. I'll arrange a few photos when the water pump and belt job is complete.
All the best!


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:22 pm 
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Hello everyone,
A brief follow up from last post back in Sept. New belts and water pump fitted over the winter. I should have done a lot more but never got around to it! We had a glimmer of sun today so got the car out. Hood frame is not great to say the least! large flakes of rust on the back seats when I lifted the lid. My local indie can refurbish the frame and I'm just about to order a new hood to be delivered.

I wondered if anyone knows a supplier called Monsoon Hoods in East Sussex? They seem to be active on Ebay. Otherwise any recommendation greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:17 pm 
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For a replacement hood I strongly recommend BAS International, their hoods are not only as good as a genuine new part from Porsche but in my opinion they are of a higher quality.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:31 am 
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Thanks Jon, I'll call them today.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:45 pm 
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New hood being fitted this week so gradually getting around to a few other necessary tasks. I have a very tatty and torn boot carpet (original) that needs replacing and I was wondering if anyone has one for sale. The car is grey and the leather seats are a very light grey/cream, also carpets. Unfortunately I don't know the exact colour.

Apologies as I have already tagged this question on to another thread.


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