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 Post subject: Re: REVO Nitrous Install...or 3 Days in Doncaster :)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:19 pm 
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Are you going to pay for it Lindsey? Might struggle to find a dyno that would put that on. If they would they would want a lot of money. Most dynos will only run up to 90mph & do power runs in 3rd. You can't run that sort of power until your in top & even then wheel spin will be a problem. I think the power will be limited by what you can put down. That means LSD & sticky tyres. Then you can have clutch slip/drive shaft failure. It's not that easy. The systems 2000hp capable. But what can you put down??????? Well maybe Brett cant answer that one yet as it's only just fitted. May need a taller diff. :lol: Should be fun finding out though. :bounce:

All the dynos I've seen have done power runs in 4th or 5th & Bretts car is Auto so only has 3speeds anyway. Certainly I've seen much higher speeds than 90MPH, the 7 was around the 140MPH mark on the rollers at Progress. The problem you'll have is A. Traction especially if the torque is spiky & B. given the toque peak getting enough load on quick enough as the power rises. This is a common problem with turbo type motors. Simon who dyno'd my 7 had a Lotus Esprit Rover V8 twin turbo on the dyno just before mine & every time the revs hit 2,500 the thing just lit up the wheels. Even with a cargo strap across the roll cage & a set of fork lift prongs on the back it still couldn't get enough traction on the rollers. At a guess this was around 350ish BHP, the problem gets worse with higher power.


Hi Jim :)

Mine is a 4 speed auto by the way, and it doesn't change into 4th until around 120 mph....if I hit the Nitrous at 120 mph its going to hit 160 plus VERY quickly :(
Maybe thats why they wont run it...

All the best Brett :)

Yup normal technique is to disable kick down as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:08 pm 
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:) Brett, thanks for taking me through the basics, I just about grasp the theoretical side I was just curious at what point the theoretical output became liimited by physical factors? Will the engine flow the sort of volumes required to produce the power needed or will the limit be pretty much dependent on gearing. I understand that with more torque, especially if it can be spread across the rev range that the car should accelerate quicker, which if your chasing quarter mile times is beneficial, but presumably there comes a point where even if you can produce the full power the system may be capable of, a large percentage of it becomes redundant due to either the engine being unable to flow the volumes required or running out of gearing. :)

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:) Brett, thanks for taking me through the basics, I just about grasp the theoretical side I was just curious at what point the theoretical output became liimited by physical factors? Will the engine flow the sort of volumes required to produce the power needed or will the limit be pretty much dependent on gearing. I understand that with more torque, especially if it can be spread across the rev range that the car should accelerate quicker, which if your chasing quarter mile times is beneficial, but presumably there comes a point where even if you can produce the full power the system may be capable of, a large percentage of it becomes redundant due to either the engine being unable to flow the volumes required or running out of gearing. :)


Hi :)

Good questions again....

Ok....when you say "flow the volumes" what you actually mean is inlet and exhaust valves.... and exhaust system....

First Intake valves are bigger, but with Nitrous that does not matter much as the LIQUID NITROUS sort of cheats the valve as a LOT more liquid can pass a valve than as a gas...

So inlet valve size in unimportant with Nitrous as long as it arrives as a liquid....take my word on my race pro system it does....

Then you have cylinder capacity ..again take my word there is more than enough for my system or any other...hard to explain easily, but think about turbos and superchargers...they don`t have to have larger capacity cylinders for the same reasons...

Then you get to exhaust valves AFTER the cylinder firing.....there is ALWAYS less exhaust gas then inlet gas (HENCE smaller exhaust valves although it has a lot to do with cam overlap)

So exhaust valve size will not limit Nitrous.....

Then we get onto the Exhaust system..... now this one is a problem for a LARGE Nitrous system like mine....to prevent reversion (where the exhaust gases try and re- enter the engine) you NEED an almost totally free and large bore exhaust system...

In my case , the front boxes on both pipes have been removed, as have the 2 middle resonators and the ONLY exhaust box I have is a twin rear box which is straight through with a little outer silencing material, but at 6000 revs it cannot be read on my decibel meter as mine only reads to 130 Db....lol

But it is a glorious sound as many who have heard it on this forum will say :) :)

The gearing point is valid , particularly for 1/4 mile times...but mine is NOT designed for 1/4s , its for top speed where the gearing is long not short... so not such a problem.....

Phew....again I apologise if this sounded condescending , but I am trying to compress years of knowledge into a few short paragraphs and its not easy, so apologies if it does not make a huge amount of sense... :)


As for limiting factors...I don`t THINK it will be the engine, I am pretty sure from experience it will be something mechanical...shafts or t.tube or autobox etc.... which is why my controller SHOULD keep the torque hit non existent by being perfectly smooth....in theory lol


All the best Brett :)

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Hi Brett,

Just wondering how long can you keep the Notrox switched on for and how long will your supply last for?

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Just wondering how long can you keep the Notrox switched on for and how long will your supply last for?

Phil


Hi PHIL :)

The honest answer is that with the new systtem I do not actually know lol...

As I am increasing power in tiny steps, I will eventually be able to make an educated guess though.

In "theory" with this new system I "could" keep the Nitrous running for as long as I have liquid nitrous left in the bottles, if I had to guess at the moment....IF the whole 2000 hp was running , I would "think" around 4 to 6 minutes (assuming on an autobahn or similar with a long enough stretch to do it)

Thats with my 2 x 15lb bottles... i.e 30 lbs of liquid nitrous.

All the best Brett :)

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hi Brett
you say your system is designed for top speed runs,how fast are you planning?
have you altered the gear ratio's to get into the 200+ bracket?

hope all goes well with the run's at the 1/4 mile strip,if you let me know your favorite charity i will donate as mentioned in a previous post.

at least yours starts... unlike mine... :pale:


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928nut wrote:
hi Brett
you say your system is designed for top speed runs,how fast are you planning?
have you altered the gear ratio's to get into the 200+ bracket?

hope all goes well with the run's at the 1/4 mile strip,if you let me know your favorite charity i will donate as mentioned in a previous post.

at least yours starts... unlike mine... :pale:


Hi :)

My aim has always been to beat the fastest normal road going Porsche....as sold from the factory...which is the Carrera GT at £330,000 ... top speed 206...

Yes I have altered the gearing for top speed which makes 1/4s harder lol :)

All the best Brett :)

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