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 Post subject: Re: High mile 944
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:27 pm 
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Thats the boy !!
Fingers crossed it will be mine at the weekend.


A quarter of a million miles and the guy selling it bought it for less than £800, :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:13 am 
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That is a lot of miles for that money, I got a 1991 S2 with a massive service history, leather interior, great bodywork and even a fancy flip front Kenwood Stereo/Ipod player last year with 89K miles for under 5K so with the current economic climate probably worth £3.5/4K now with 95K miles on it. Both my 924S and 944S2 needed new brake lines at 17 years old but not too expensive. 944 had new exhaust camshaft, water pump, belts rollers, chain and tensioner plus front end seal at 74K miles, front and rear shocks, bushes and joints 76K miles, clutch at 80Kmiles, power steering pump and rack at 88K miles, wheel bearings on front at 92K miles. But except the brake lines and wheel bearings the rest was done by previous owner, so other than usual consumables and tyres I have had very little else to sort on it but it is likely to need replacment cam followers as these are now noisy and the bill for those is around £650. So if those things have been done on this one at that mileage they are likely to need doing again.

It does seem expensive for 1/4 million miles, when there are so many other good examples around with less miles and for less or the same money.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:16 am 
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pauly wrote:
rav wrote:
Thats the boy !!
Fingers crossed it will be mine at the weekend.


A quarter of a million miles and the guy selling it bought it for less than £800, :shock:


I just read this back to myself and it did seem rather silly.
Trying hard to remain focused - Now only 50% certain that i will go to Leeds this weekend.

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Thats the boy !!
Fingers crossed it will be mine at the weekend.


A quarter of a million miles and the guy selling it bought it for less than £800, :shock:

I'm confused where does it say he bought it for £800? Even if he did it has no relevance to price today. It's worth what someone is prepared to pay. It has lots of options, looks like it has been well looked after & a high mileage car will always be better than a garage queen.
It has averaged around 11K PA, yes it will need a refresh is areas, the same pretty much as any 20+ year old car will need.
Certainly it is worth a look.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:00 am 
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Jim - The car appeared on Pistonheads last week. As the seller was not a registered user of pistonheads, he could only put a non-premium advert up and hence it appeared on page 5.

I saw it a few hours after it had been posted and looked a very good buy at £895.
I phoned the seller and he told me about the car. I arranged to go and see the car the following morning. I called the seller the following morning to confirm that i was leaving my house and he told me that someone from Leeds had come down and bought the car in the very early hours of the morning.

The car then re-appeared on Pistonheads (in the premium slots) a day later with a mark up of £3000. The advert had been re-written and much of what featured in the advert is a load of cobblers.
I still have the original sellers telephone number and he tells me that a lot of the information in the advert is fabricated or a spin on the truth.

The retired old gent that originally sold the car was not keen to sell the car to a trader. He was deliberalty bluffed by these Leeds guys who told him that they werent traders. They even told him that they were going to restore the car and would send him him pictures.

Thinking about it, i am going to give this car a miss. A car with a quarter of a million miles on it, plus one that was sold for £895 a week ago, and i go and pay £3k for it?
Its potentially got bills looming for £1.5k for the belts, rollers, tensioners, water pump? It needs new suspension bushes.......

I will leave it for a week and think about it. If the seller still has the car he may come down in price during this time.
Like many people have said, there are other cars for about the £5k range that would not have the high miles and have had all the wearable parts replaced.

This car is still on the original exhaust believe it or not.

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Rav I see your point. However any car that you buy may very well need belts, tensioners, water pump, bushes shocks etc. A lot of these are as much on a time basis as a mileage one. I did a suspension swap last year on a car that is low miles (90K or so), very pampered & the shocks that came off it were absolutely knackered. Especially the backs which couldn't support themselves :o
This car had wishbones a few years previously & had a water pump when the belt was done in 07.
Given the background checks I can see why you don't want it, but if the pics are true then it is in good nick.

PS If I was given a car worth 10K for free by a rich uncle, do I have to sell it for nowt then? The cost of something previously has no bearing on its value today. Although the prvious owner let it go very cheap at £895, it'd break for 2-3 times that.

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Jim - Thanks for the comments, i appreciate any car would need belts, water pump etc.

The car was sold was £895 and i agree it could be broken for two/three times that.

But its now up for £3995. Including remidial work, the cost would stand at £4.5k for a car with 245k on the clock.

Im so confused now. Someone help?

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tr7v8 wrote:
a high mileage car will always be better than a garage queen.


I bought a car that has averaged 5k a year, been cherished, had fair weather use, been warmed up properly and correctly serviced, if this is the definition of a "garage queen" to suggest the other car is better is :lol: :lol: :lol:


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pauly wrote:
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a high mileage car will always be better than a garage queen.


I bought a car that has averaged 5k a year, been cherished, had fair weather use, been warmed up properly and correctly serviced, if this is the definition of a "garage queen" to suggest the other car is better is :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK; 21 year old car at 5K PA is 105K, so will still need dampers, possible bushes, belts & tensioners, likely water pump etc. Some of these are service items but some are not. You see lots of cars where the owners say they haven't done the belts because it has only done 25K or so in say 6-7 years, the fact that they should be done on a 3-4 year basis as well as mileage doesn't occur to them. So low mileage does NOT necessarily mean "cherished" in terms of being looked after.
Also 5K per annum over 21 years could mean it's done 60K in the first 4 years & 2.6K for the other 17!

Finally my 944 was bought at 103K near 4 years ago, it was OPC serviced as I understand it through that period, I then used it as a daily driver doing 38K in the next 18 months, then buying the Jag & making it a second car. It now has 144K on it. It has given me more hassle & pain in the past 2 1/2 years than it ever did as a daily driver! Bits don't work, it misbehaves when cold etc.

If you value low mileage & I don't then fine, don't naively pay a premium for it expecting it will lessen your costs it may not & in bad cases, lots of short runs etc. can increase them. I've been buying & selling cars for years, classic & moderns & a lot of the low mileage ones have been a royal PITA.
Is it a garage queen you tell me? :wink: 5K is quite high mileage these days for a second car, mine is insured for 3k & struggles to manage 2K, even the TR7 only did just over 3K PA each year & I used that for work a few days a week in the summer & also did lots of international touring.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:37 pm 
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pauly wrote:
I bought a car that has averaged 5k a year, been cherished, had fair weather use, been warmed up properly and correctly serviced, if this is the definition of a "garage queen" to suggest the other car is better is :lol: :lol: :lol:


That's definitley not a garage queen IMHO.

If I was coxed into making a blanket statement I would say a Garage queen will be less than 1500 miles a year so under 30k miles for a 20 year old car. However as long as it's been serviced every year without fail, and had rubber things replaced due to age and not mileage then a garage queen can be a brilliant buy

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rav wrote:
Jim - The car appeared on Pistonheads last week. As the seller was not a registered user of pistonheads, he could only put a non-premium advert up and hence it appeared on page 5.

I saw it a few hours after it had been posted and looked a very good buy at £895.
I phoned the seller and he told me about the car. I arranged to go and see the car the following morning. I called the seller the following morning to confirm that i was leaving my house and he told me that someone from Leeds had come down and bought the car in the very early hours of the morning.

The car then re-appeared on Pistonheads (in the premium slots) a day later with a mark up of £3000. The advert had been re-written and much of what featured in the advert is a load of cobblers.
I still have the original sellers telephone number and he tells me that a lot of the information in the advert is fabricated or a spin on the truth.

The retired old gent that originally sold the car was not keen to sell the car to a trader. He was deliberalty bluffed by these Leeds guys who told him that they werent traders. They even told him that they were going to restore the car and would send him him pictures.

Thinking about it, i am going to give this car a miss. A car with a quarter of a million miles on it, plus one that was sold for £895 a week ago, and i go and pay £3k for it?
Its potentially got bills looming for £1.5k for the belts, rollers, tensioners, water pump? It needs new suspension bushes.......

I will leave it for a week and think about it. If the seller still has the car he may come down in price during this time.
Like many people have said, there are other cars for about the £5k range that would not have the high miles and have had all the wearable parts replaced.

This car is still on the original exhaust believe it or not.


I knew that was a traders advert, the wording was just what a trader would say and not a very intelligent one at that. Rav, just my opinion, but you would do better to give Jon M £3k for that tatty turbo he has that were looking at and start a resto project just for satisfaction of not lining some traders pocket with no come back. You must be able to get that car up and running for £5k cant you?

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tr7v8 wrote:
pauly wrote:
tr7v8 wrote:
a high mileage car will always be better than a garage queen.


I bought a car that has averaged 5k a year, been cherished, had fair weather use, been warmed up properly and correctly serviced, if this is the definition of a "garage queen" to suggest the other car is better is :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK; 21 year old car at 5K PA is 105K, so will still need dampers, possible bushes, belts & tensioners, likely water pump etc. Some of these are service items but some are not. You see lots of cars where the owners say they haven't done the belts because it has only done 25K or so in say 6-7 years, the fact that they should be done on a 3-4 year basis as well as mileage doesn't occur to them. So low mileage does NOT necessarily mean "cherished" in terms of being looked after.
Also 5K per annum over 21 years could mean it's done 60K in the first 4 years & 2.6K for the other 17!



Well my car is 18 years old , and it averaged 10k pa for the first 3 years and 2 or 3k pa for the rest according the MOT's, I've sold a lot of cars in the past too so I'm not in the habit of paying a premium for anything, and I looked for a long time :) and at a lot of cars until I bought this one. The "garage queen" argument is usually trotted out by people with high mileage examples and whilst leaving a car unused for years causes problems my 87 Cosworth ran fine for 5 years with an annual oil change and a 50 mile warm up every 3 months.

I agree about the dampers though, KW's or Gaz going on mine soon.


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AerialAndy wrote:
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If you check his/there PH profile they are property agents

Mobile (Paul) 0796 745 4648 paul@gillproperties.co.uk Mobile (Kam) 0796 645 4645 kam@gillproperties.co.uk 24 Hour services 0113 245 4648 ...


They still can't spell very well :roll: and there website link comes up as error. All the se's I've seen had leather interior. Was this an option then as this one hasn't got it?


Seats look like they have been replaced at some point. The door cards don't match the seats.
Latest news is that the original owner told me that new sills had been fitted to the car at quite a lot of expense. The garage that did the work weren't paint specialists so they left the sills in black stone chip.
I asked the new "Arfur Daily" sellers of close up pics, but they are too busy......

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I looked at a car that this guy was selling last year and it was a complete dog, the whole advert was untrue.
I would not waste any time or fuel money looking at anything he was selling.
All the best with the search.

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