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"Your engine is FUBAR
Text STOP to FUCT951 to opt out of these msgs"

And... But you may be entitled to PPI compensation .

I to prefer to keep the car a car and my phone a phone etc.
However I have chosen to not clutter my dash with what arguably are tacky plastic pieces of junk.

I have a boost gauge in the right hand dash vent that needs its hand painted red.



And then HQ is hidden in my glove box. It leaves everything tidy and personally I find the guages a great aid when tuning. They aren't however need after that.



Thought you might be interested in this.

Robert

My extra gauges aren't in the dash, they're under the radio. If there's 18lbs on the boost gauge I don't fancy leaning across to open the glovebox to check the AFR's are still ok .

Well in that case we have differing opinions as I prefer to just look where I'm going

And then there's the question why would you need to if you map the car properly it's not like 20ms of fuel at 1bar and 3000rpm is going to change much howevers may times you try it.

If its because you think your FPR or fuel pump may fail then you will have to spend a large amount of time looking at your gauges.

Best in my opinion to just map the car properly and then forget about it. If you think something's a miss then just open the glovebox and check things will be fine till you get home and check your logs then with all the time in the world.

And one last thing I've set the boost controller many times while driving, the glovebox really isn't that far away.

Anyway everyone to there own and if nice gauges are used then they can be made to look nice

You don't think mechanical components can fail on an old tuned car. Why bother with the gauges after mapping. Perhaps there's a App to open the glove box lid when things are about to go wrong

There could well be a mechanical failure and being an old car does up the chances but the likely hood of you watching the gauge at the exact moment and time to be quick enough to stop the engine running into catastrophic detonation is very unlikely. I just looked at it that I'd do my best to keep the car mechanical sound and then just drive it.

As for bothering with gauges after mapping that's what I'm getting at. In my opinion the only reason you'll need them is mapping. So why not put them somewhere you don't have to look at them.... Like a glovebox

As for apps to open glove boxes I'm happy to keep weight down and keep my phone as a phone.

Well I've always liked 2 or 3 extra gauges in the centre console, reminds me of cars like the RS2. If that means I like tacky plastic pieces of junk so be it. .

My apexi is in the cubby hole. Which displays boost. Mobile phone is in the ash tray area connected to my head unit. Cars mobile phone displaying ecu viables sits in a holder on drivers side dash vent.

Apexi where it is phone offers a cheap tidy solution to the need for multiple gauges, everything's In digital format. Gives peace of find to check with a quick glance. Good for checking boost adjustments on the apexi. I can park the car remove everything a few secs car looks stock with little to encourage thefts.

Works for me.

My point is with toms set up you don't need more then mbc any adjustments affects can be seen on the app as it displays manifold pressure. How much do the extra gauges cost? Time to install and creative products to get a nice finish. This can be offset against the price. Or done at a later date

I can do all that on my £20 phone ?

Prob only need android. By the time u get round to it properly pick one up for around that

Can't say I understand the gauges in the glove box thing either, as why would anyone want to lose this space after the tuning is done when it can store useful things such as spare bulbs, small tools, and, who knows, even perhaps gloves?
I expect someone driving without the glove box lid for quite some time, and then visibility is going to be very poor, especially in bright weather, and you may get fed up more than quickly for not being able to figure out at a glance what the analog gauges are showing.

In my case I use a discreet round digital gauge in the cubby that displays 4 values at the same time.
I spent countless time on the tune. It's never over anyway, you do need driving in all weather and all seasons to get it right (and I reckon that anyone suggesting otherwise has little clue what a full tune consists in). I would not have wanted to use anything more than this single gauge, as far as altering the standard interior that is in my opinion perfect by all accounts.

Is that an EGT gauge on the right ?

It seems I have different views to some but theres no point arguing about something that I don't intend to change as it works very well for my needs and I haven't had any suggestions that would be better in my personal opinion, I also don't want to fall out with anyone as some of you have interesting things on your cars that I may want to no more about . If I were to do it again I possibly would go with no gauges as its cheaper and with Augtronic I'm confident after a full tune is complete that I needn't worry. Like Terra has already mentioned a cheap android will tell you more unless you have ALOT of gauges.



When I make changes to my car I spend as long as is needed to perfect the tune by getting someone to drive it while I operate the laptop on the passenger seat. Once this is complete I have never had to go back and change the tune while the car remains the same. The compensation maps once set up take care of changes due to time of year etc. so thats covered also. This is what I'd call a "full tune" which will not need changed. However I don't know what methods other DME's or piggy backs used in 951's have for compensations.

Yep, I wanted a digital display however innovate's EGT gauge doesn't have a 0-5v output (at the time not sure now) for my ECU. EGTs aren't as high as I was expecting on the 951. My EGT's have actually dropped by about 100oC with the new turbo which I suppose is due to less back pressure but I think its hurting my boost threshold.

The centre gauge is simply a temperature gauge that is used to get temperatures at different points under the bonnet. It's just for my own interest really. The glovebox could have a lot more space if only two were used but I can still get my android (used solely for the car) and spare DME relay plus a spanner or two in.