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I have read the thread repeatedly and IMHO not at any point has 911cool said anything against Wizard of Nos or against Trevor Langfield personally.

All he has asked is prove your claims, if his posts are technically incorrect then please enlighten us with the facts, not "What car do you drive".

What I may considering doing is deleting all posts relating to your system until proven, that will end any future disagreements.

Hear, hear. Well said that man

In Fairness Sean despite Bretts yet unsupported claim. There are those on this thread that have reduced there argument to abuse. Then they have no argument at all. It's not what you say but the way you say it. If you want to ask legitimate technical questions about his car fine. But why the abuse. It's not constructive or pleasant to read or necessary. So I understand why perhaps Brett doesn't want to answer these guys. There are many readers of this forum but relatively few posters. Threads like this are the reason. I would be interested to read Trevors reply so I hope this thread remains open long enough for him to do so. It's Bretts car. It's Bretts money. Who does it harm? This is not the spirit of TIPEC:?

I think people are asking a legitimate question, it was Brett who kept asking "What Porsche do you own" Which is irrelevant.
I know bu99er all about nitrous, it typically tends to be a drag racers tool as the limited capacity available tends to lead people that way & the previous lack of control on earlier systems would mean a big hit of BHP wouldn't be what you want half way around a corner. I understand from Brett's & other postings it is now more controllable. I know some turbo cars hillclimbing that used it to reduce turbo lag.
Doing some back of a fag packet calcs I reckon you need 3 gallons of fuel a minute for 2500BHP & as I understand it you need to match nitrous & fuel flow otherwise you run lean. So what do you need to upgrade on a 928 to get to these flow rates?

I'm not sure I follow your argument, most forums, apart from the chit-chat ones, have more readers than posters simply because one person asks a question and a few answer, after that most people who read the thread refrain from posting anything as there's nothing else to add or because they were just reading it to keep up with what's going on. If you look at most of the other threads in the 928 section I'm sure you'll find very little evidence of abuse or outright rudeness.


I agree, it would be nice to actually get some technical facts; it's such a shame that his first post was talking about lawyers and not answering what appear to be legitimate questions. If he were to simply post the answers without resorting to taking a stance it would also allow those of us who are not so knowledgeable about NOS to learn more about it and perhaps make up our minds about 911cool's questions.


Indeed, which is why I haven't bothered posting in this thread before; but this appears to be history repeating itself and I'm not even sure whether the main protagonists/antagonists are current members of TIPEC.

If I'm considered one of the main protagonists/antagonists then so be it, yes I am a member of TIPEC and no I've never met or had any dealings with 911cool before in my life. Yes it is Bretts car & money and no I haven't said anything defammatory about Wizards of Nos to the best of my knowledge.
Now clearly there may be some things which Brett would like to keep close to his chest as far as his modifications go but some background as to what's been needed in order for the car to cope with such a huge amount of power, however progressively it's delivered, would give credence to any claim of such a big number. To casually throw out a claim of 2000hp and not expect people to be sceptical may be considered naive.
I certainly don't want to aid & abet anybody stalking another member on this forum but I would be interested to see the claim of 2000hp substantiated.

Simple facts are

1 - One of the main posters who demands free speech is now suggesting it is a bad idea not to delete a thread that is potentially asking for proof re non stop claims said poster is making

2 - No claims are libellous or personal - stating an opinion and asking for proof

3- For the company that fits it etc to offer freindly legal advice and veiled legal threats is in my view all rather pathetic. Proove it does what its claimed and 99% couldnt care less, but at least one will have to finally give up asking

4 - Porsche and Nitrous. Good grief, of all the bizarre things............. I am sure most don't really care whatsoever. However if you are going to claim something re 1000 / 2000 BHP then someone is going to ask to see proof no matter how pointless the whole idea is. (allegedly, without prejudice and in some peoples views)

PS - For certain readers, this is a personal opinion and in no way reflects the views of TIPEC. I hereby absolve TIPEC of any association with my views and accept that any claims should be made against me and not the providers of said forum.

IMHO the problem is that the tone of this thread is not in keeping with the polite banter of the rest of the forum. The first post by John "911cool" was met with remarks such as "bit uncalled for" and "alot uncalled for".
The main protagonists/antagonists appears to be someone we do not know anything about. If John had made an introduction then perhaps we could understand his motivation behind such a blunt approach to the subject. To say that it is "no surprise this car if the biggest joke in Nitrous world" before any new work has been done is a bit rude. Does he work for trading standards, a rival NOS company or have the most powerful car in Britain bar none himself and does not want to be ousted from his throne(this is why I think the question on "what car do you drive" was relevant). To claim that you did not post because "I would have replied yesterday but I had to do a bit of reading up " sounds like it is a planned retalliation.
The rest of the people posting have been polite in their questions, such as Nick who simply wrote, "C'mon guys, if you have the figures to back up the claims, put them out there so that the world can judge." I don't think that the car would have been shipped from the workshop to Santa Pod on the day of completion, so perhaps a little time to get the figures might be required. After all I do believe that the system is "....(subject to change on fitting and testing)" as stated by Brett. I think that this thread would have given us some answers had the tone not gone the way it has.
Please do not think that I am taking sides in this matter, I mearly wanted to state how I have interpreted it. I wrote a similar reply yesterday while sitting in a hospital waiting room, then my iPhone chucked it.
While reading the terms to use another site I found a paragraph called "Don't feed the Trolls". I had to read it twice before I knew what Angus was talking about. Perhaps that what we have here. Only time will tell.

I'm pleased to see there are some reasonable people participating in this thread.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to respond in full right now, as my only daughter and grand daughter are due to land in the UK for a 10 day visit within a couple of hours and I'll be spending every minute with them till they fly home to Malta.

However, I will just make a few quick points;

1) My primary reason for visiting and posting on this thread (which encompasses most of those I originally stated), was to flush out a person who Brett and I believe is posting here under a false name who has started a vendetta against both Brett and my company for no good reason. If as we believe he is the member on our forum who has recently started this vendetta on my forum (but in a more subtle manner), then I will ban him from my forum.

2) Since my last post I have confronted the person we suspect on my own forum and he has now acknowledged his intent (on my forum at least), so I've given him a final warning of being banned and he's since stopped posting there, so the lack of a response from 911cool so far, has to make you wonder why and if the 2 situations are linked!

3) With regards to my comments about libel, unless you are a libel lawyer and fully aware of my companies position, I wouldn't try to make any judgements on any potential breaches of such laws, because even I don't try to do that. The reason I said "potential" is because I don't know what constitutes 'actual' libel until my lawyers have read it and so I've sent them a copy of this thread and I'll be discussing it with them ASAP.

4) In my previous post I emphasised the word "friendly" when giving advice to the forum members as a whole, because that was what it was, "friendly" advice, it was not a threat to the whole forum. The only threat is to 911cool IF he has breeched the libel laws but as the law also holds the forum owner responsible for publishing any such breeches, I thought it only fair to make the owner of this forum aware of the 'potential' of the situation, so he'd have the chance to act appropriately.

5) In response to the claim that I'm being paranoid I have the following to say; Freedom of speech is something we should all fight for and defend but like many things things in life, there are those who abuse the freedom and don't deserve to have it. The Internet and in particular forums have become the breeding ground of people who abuse that freedom and disregard social etiquette in the process, all of which needs to be stopped and only by decent people making a stand and utilising the appropriate laws will that happen. Only by putting a stop to those who abuse their freedoms will the rest of us be able to continue to enjoy them - you only have to take a flight to see how we all suffer when a small minority is prepared to abuse the freedoms we all took for granted until 9/11.

I'm now going to collect my family from the airport so that's all I have time for now.

Best regards

Trevor Langfield.

This is getting really boring now !! just put up or shut up, the pair of you , or just stop posting on our forum, and stop wasting everybody's time, far too much smoke and bo11ocks, bit like may happen to Bretts old car, I shouldent wonder.

Really looking forward to the technical explanations and evidence to back up these huge power claims.

I feel like a bit of a stalker myself as Bretts claims seem to pop up repeatedly on a number of forums that I read. Tipec seems to be the only one left that he still uses