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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:58 pm 
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Just wondering what is the thinking with regard to longevity on the 996. We now know that there are 924,944,928 cars with 150-200k on the clock and still running well provided they have been properly serviced etc.

Will the 996 engine perform as well in the long term??

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
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There's no reason to suspect it wouldn't, it's the other components that don't seem to be as robust.

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:37 pm 
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Sean Smallman wrote:
There's no reason to suspect it wouldn't, it's the other components that don't seem to be as robust.


Such as?

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:09 am 
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I think that it's not the engines so much, but as they get older, they will get cheaper to buy, then like some older Porsches (now) they will be run on a shoestring and it'll be all about finding a well looked after 996 regardless of miles.

Once some modern cars get quite cheap they can be scraped just because an electronic control box has failed and would cost so much to replace, it would be cheaper to break the car and buy another.

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:05 am 
You could say that about the 944, I have heard of insurance companies writing off serviceable 944s because of the price of replacement of the rear screen, the pre 2002 3.4 mtr has been slightly problematic, the 3.6 fitted to the face lift cars is far better but they are nearly twice the price, nice 1998 R C2/C4 coming up to 100k miles between £16 and £20k, but 3.6's still £30k+, early ones are becoming just that bit cheaper than 993's but then they are far more plentiful. I can't see them being that different to any other 911, the build quality was slightly down so they may break that little bit easier but that's still better build quality than the rest out there and the sweetener could be that there are so many out there that it will be worth the while of custom spare manufactures to start making quality replacement parts


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You could say that about the 944, I have heard of insurance companies writing off serviceable 944s because of the price of replacement of the rear screen, the pre 2002 3.4 mtr has been slightly problematic, the 3.6 fitted to the face lift cars is far better but they are nearly twice the price, nice 1998 R C2/C4 coming up to 100k miles between £16 and £20k, but 3.6's still £30k+, early ones are becoming just that bit cheaper than 993's but then they are far more plentiful. I can't see them being that different to any other 911, the build quality was slightly down so they may break that little bit easier but that's still better build quality than the rest out there and the sweetener could be that there are so many out there that it will be worth the while of custom spare manufactures to start making quality replacement parts


But with so many 996's out there surely there are plenty of specialist breakers etc that spares will not be a problem. Looking for a 996 with good service history around the £18k mark when I move on from the 944 might be an interesting proposition

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But with so many 996's out there surely there are plenty of specialist breakers etc that spares will not be a problem. Looking for a 996 with good service history around the £18k mark when I move on from the 944 might be an interesting proposition


Go for it Paul. Thing is, the parts that usually wear out/break will be the same parts that wore out/broke on the scraped ones too.

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They are a lot of car for what the earlier ones are fetching and they will get cheaper and cheaper.

997's are already in the low 40's and when the face lift comes out they'll depreciate even quicker.

996 TT seem really cheap with a glut of them in the mid 30's.

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:52 am 
You say plenty at the breakers, but in comparison with other quality car makers there are very very few broken (Unless they are already very broken) as proof there are still more Porsche cars still on the road per cars made than any other volume manufacturer on the road 8) I was also thinking that for Porsche the 996/986 Boxster and 997/987 Boxster have been made in such high numbers that when they are eventually in the affordable price band anything that is a frequently failing item, there should be enough demand for part manufacturers to tool up for it rather than paying through the nose at an OPC.
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PaulPSB wrote:
But with so many 996's out there surely there are plenty of specialist breakers etc that spares will not be a problem. Looking for a 996 with good service history around the £18k mark when I move on from the 944 might be an interesting proposition


Go for it Paul. Thing is, the parts that usually wear out/break will be the same parts that wore out/broke on the scraped ones too.


Yes I agree that any weak design parts will be the common problem ones and common failures but as Paul D says these are likely to be available from aftermarket sources.
I think I'll start researching later in the year :wink:

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check this out http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2001-Porsche-911- ... dZViewItem

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:47 pm 
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That's very cheap :shock: Looks too good to be true but its the sort of thing I have in mind for the next Porka

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 Post subject: Re: Longevity
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Must be a typo? More like £44k for a Turbo.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:48 pm 
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Must be a typo? More like £44k for a Turbo.


Thought it was cheap!!!

I spotted a 1998 Carrera at Porscheshop when I was getting the 928 belts sorted
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ds_search.asp?did=114115&pageid=2&originalid=&gid=nogroup&tid=2 and must admit it looked like a lot of motor for the money.

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