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Just a couple of notes to pass on to gullible people before they are conned yet again by some stupid government scheme.

I hope nobody goes to buy a new car thinking they are getting a 'good deal'. I don't mean people on this forum, I refer especially to the elderley and to the thick who will fall for this scam. The dealers have so many pre-reg cars available, ones that they have pre-reg'd to get their bonuses from the manufacturers, that there are already loads of 'new' cars available with more than £2000 off the list price. Two years ago my wife bought herself a less than one month old pre-reg MX5, after she had done the 10 mile test drive it had 12 miles on the clock, and we got almost £2500 off the list price. Most 'new' cars have been stood somewhere for a long time, in a field, near some docks, round the back of the showroom, etc etc.

Because of this scheme dealers are now actually only giving £1000 discount, as the other £1000 is coming from the government - therefore the dealers are now selling cars (or they hope to be) at more than they were before the credit crunch started. The £2000 'scrappage' will be eroded by depreciation in a couple of months.

It's just not a good deal and does not justify buying a new car - in fact, seeing as everybody has stopped making them there cannot be any real new cars available - they're just selling old stock-piled ones. And I bet some of the so-called bangers get re-sold and therefore end up back on the road.

The only people benefitting from this will be the car industry and the government, the public will be paying twice - at the showroom and through their taxes.

Rant over!

Ford and Honda have refused to introduce it yet, as no one is quite sure who pays the VAT on the scrappage !!!!

Another well-thought-out-and-fully-workable-plan introduced by our wonderful, honest, upright, law-abiding, MPs.

Rant over...................for now

Another cunningly designed election gimick. If it aplied to 8 year old Fiats it may be of some use. But most modern cars can't make it to 10 years! Another thing. Does the car actually have to be a runner with current MOT? I once traded in a Skoda with a 3 speed gearbox. It had 1st & 3rd & 4th. But you couldn't use 4th as the head gasket had gone & it didn't have enough power. But it wasn't 10 years old though thats the kind of car that this should be aimed at. Maybe they should do a scrappage scheme for Rovers. And there drivers

Have porsche joined the scheme ? maybe I could scrap my 13 year old 993 and get a good deal on a new 997, wodja fink??

car has to have been registered to you for 12 months to be eligible, and has to have some MOT on it

I must post a reply to John Ward's comments, I run a Land Rover business and to be honest this is a genuine extra £1000 for customers. How it works is half of the £2000 scrappage is paid for by the manufacturer and the other half is from the guv. Obviously as with any manufacturer at the minute, the past 12 months have been tough and there are various offers available, as with Land Rover there are many different offers, the £1000 paid by the manufacturer is now just another which obviously cant be use in connection with any other offers but the £1000 from the guv is 100% extra. I dont agree with your comments that "us" dealers will benefit any extra at all, however I must stress at the minute we've never been busier and used car prices have increased again for the 4th month in a row, so much so we are now paying more for good PX cars than we were 6 months ago. New car stock is in short supply and not stock pilled like you suggest, maybe in the volume market though. As ususal its people who dont really understand something who are quick to make judgement and in this case the car industry has been blamed. Well take it from me this is not the case. We allways get the bad name yet half the time its the customers who lie and cheat!
Anyway I hope Ive made my point.
Thanks
Greg

yeahbut......................wot about the other 50%






also a Defender 90 owner

[quote="Irons05. As usual its people who dont really understand something who are quick to make judgement and in this case the car industry has been blamed. Well take it from me this is not the case. We always get the bad name yet half the time its the customers who lie and cheat! [/quote]

I do understand it Greg, I have a friend who runs a BMW / Mini dealership and get to know the ins and outs, but you're entitled to voice your opinion - however implying that your customers are liars and cheats will do your business no good - in fact I would hope that you have proof to support your statement before publishing it.

Your argument was quite reasonable until you started bleating at the end - like everybody from the car industry has been recently at every opportunity. You are not owed a living Greg. Everybody says that their industry is worst hit, and they will because that's the only industry they work in so it's the only one they feel it in. Hauliers say they are the worst hit, car industry says it's the worst hit, banking says it's the worst hit, small businesses, shops, IT, and so on, even my industry - mortgage broking - is the worst hit if you ask me, and that's because I don't work in anybody else's business so don't feel the effect (directly).

Your quote "as with Land Rover there are many different offers, the £1000 paid by the manufacturer is now just another which obviously can't be use in connection with any other offers but the £1000 from the guv is 100% extra" - so the recent TV advert that was offering something like £6000 off a new Land Rover is now history, and instead you'll knock a total of £2000 off the maximum RRP - so therefore the customers will pay £4000 more and the dealers will benefit because there are no other discounts to be had in conjunction with the £1000.

Your quote "New car stock is in short supply and not stock piled like you suggest" - in fact, to correct you, if you drive to John Lennon Airport there are hundreds of Land Rovers in compounds along the roadside there. Unfortunately 4X4s are no longer flavour of the month due to negative press coverage, and increased fuel and road tax prices - don't get me wrong, I like them, I've had them, and I'd have another, but they're not so popular anymore. However there are still thousands of stockpiled cars of the 'volume market' types.

So I stand by everything I have said in my first post, I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't, and would say that one is better off buying a pre-reg with the pre-reg discount than using this new scheme.

John Im going to leave it there as obviously I was right in my original statement when I said "people who dont understand"
I have no knowledge of the mortgage industry and therefore I would never enter any forum basically saying what you had said.
When I refer to customers being the liars I was referring to my time in the trade of over 20 years, not in my current job.
As for the recent TV adverts relating to large discounts, these were the run out old models which have now all been sold, therefore those deals are no longer available. These had been removed long before the £2000 scrappage offer was ever floated so has no bearing on the current offers. Regarding any pre-reg deals as you will know as you know the ins and outs are generally due to old stock being registered with support from the manufaturer, hence the lower price. I assume that was what you must have bought with the MX5!
Anyway, as you said everyone has an opinion and unfortunately ours differ. I'd like to think that after 20 plus years in the industry I would have a better understanding then your good self, like as I said I dont have the knowledge of the mortgage business and would always ask an expert for advice, not listen to gossip.
Cheers
Greg

Porsche is not taking part in the scheme <g>

I can see how the scheme helps dealers (though most interest has been shown in the cheapest, smallest vehicles on which dealers have very thin profit margins anyway), but how does it help manufacturers when most UK-built cars are exported, and most UK-bought cars are imported?

Understand similar scheme has been successful in Germany, but it was applied to nearly-new cars and govt provided entire subsidy and you could trade in younger cars.

Eco-wise the scheme is a joke. You have to drive a car 130,000 miles before the reduction in CO2 from less polluting new car offsets the additional CO2 produced in manufacturing it (assuming this CO2 thing makes any difference anyway - jury still out)! Most interest in the scheme has been shown by pensioners trading in old car for small new car. They drive less, so would need to drive the car for 26 years to come out carbon neutral!

More like 28 years, roads will be topped up with 93 year olds trying to do their bit for the planet