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ok JJ,in 1965 Stewart drove the BRM P261 and won the Italian GP at Monza,he had 3 seconds ,a 3rd,a 5th and a 6th and retired in the rest. in 1966 he won the Monaco GP ,again in a BRM P261,he also scored a 4th and a 5th and in all the other GPs he retired.in 1967 he didnt win any GPs,coming 2nd at Spa,3rd in France at Le Mans and retired in all the rest of the GPs.That year he drove the P83,the P261,the P115 and they were all rubbish.For 1968 he got the Matra MS9 to begin with,then the MS10 and really started winning,3 GP wins,then in 1969 with the MS10,then the MS80 he took 6 wins and his first championship. Try and get hold of a copy of his autobiography "winning is not enough",its a fantastic read and a free
DVD with it.!
also,in the Tasman series he won 4 races in 1966 and 2 in 1967 all in the BRM P261. none of the BRMs he drove were supercharged.supercharged GP cars were very much a thing of the past after WW2. we watched some great supercharged Rileys racing at Cadwell Park earlier this year,look at our photo section on our regional website,the white car no31 the Riley Super Rat was fantastic to watch and listen to.You can see more like that at Donington on September 5th&6th at the vscc meeting.look at events section on this forum for details

http://www.sirjackiestewart.com/videochapter.htm

It's a great book! Your memorys better than mine! http://gplea.rscsites.org/ You have to go to cars & then BRM P83 & the original BRM 1967 brochure is on that page.

Click on the 1967 brochure link. It's interesting in its own right. I like the old adverts. Particularly the one for Uniroyal cambelts!
I think we agree that Jakie was a great driver.

Hi JJ ,I guess youve read the book then? I still cant understand why you think that BRM was supercharged.I ve read all the stuff you posted and nowhere in there does it say the car was supercharged.Anyway ,Im off to Bonny Scotland in the morning for a week so we ll have to continue this discussion when I get back.Cheers for now, John

Forget it mate......... Too much wine is never a good idea

Dead right mate!!!! Cheers for now! John

Mixing up the V16 1.5 ltr from 1953 which was a monster! Too much power for the tyres. Wheel spin in any gear........ great fun.
GP regs limited supercharging to 1.5 litres which killed it off!

Was it a Bernie PR stunt??

Oh dear it now looks like Shumi is not feeling up to it................

I doubt is as he is 1000% professional, many may not like him and his actions, but you can not deny his skill.
I did read a while ago that he had hurt himself falling off a bike.

True. Hes hurt his kneck & isnt fully fit yet. But theres a chance he will get to race before the seasons out if it recovers in time.

Ah! that was the one Stirling Moss describes as "without doubt the worst car I ever drove" in "Stirling Moss-My Cars,My Career" by Moss/Nye.He drove it in one race (Dundrod,Ulster Trophy 1952) in which it lasted 4 laps,then made his excuses! When it made its debut in the British GP at Silverstone in 1950 it shot off the start line and promptly broke its transmission and had to be pushed away,the crowd throwing pennies into the cockpit,all in front of the Royal Family! Moss describes it as having lots of power(400hp) but the chassis,suspension and steering were unable to cope with it .Also it had a centrifugal supercharger rather than the Roots type that everyone else used,this causing severe wheelspin as the revs kept rising after it broke traction making the situation ever worse until the driver backed off losing all power or something(usually the engine) went bang!!

If the DundroD track is the same one that they use for the Ulster TT.

WOW, ITS COUNTRY ROADS

Makes the TT look like Silverstone

I bow to your superior knowledge! Would buy you a pint for that. Love those old cars. Even got recording of the engines on full chat at Spa & the ring. I have Dundrod on my pc. Don't know how anyone raced there. Modern drivers don't know there born. I put the sound file of the supercharged car into my 67BRM long ago as it sounded so good. Then forgot about it..........

Oh Yes! it was pretty narrow.Im not sure if they still use that track.Mondello Park is pretty narrow too yet I seem to remember the Touring cars raced there not too long ago! You should have heard the Mercedes W154 they displayed at Donington last year(Tony Dron driving),that was pretty ear splitting!! This years Donington Park VSCC meeting is 5th& 6th September.Some of us from SYNN group are going.Have a look at the details in EVENTS section!

Dundrod is a road well lanes circuit.
Much tighter than Mondello