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 Post subject: I think my bottom end has gone
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:22 pm 
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Feel free to insert your own gag, however I think my 944 engine is becoming terminal. I was using it while the 928 was stripped. Now the temp' guage will not move and I think it overheated. A dip of the oil finds petrol in the sump, making me think the pistons/piston rings are gone. Beside the noise off the engine, it still runs.

The million dollar question is, do I spend a penny on it when I have a 928 in the drive? I can only drive 1 at a time and will struggle to get enough justification to tax and insure 3 cars ( 928, 944 and Insignia) from the Mrs. What would you do?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:59 pm 
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If you are just going to use it as a daily runner , cut your losses and fit the £150 engine thats for sale in parts.It's allegedly a good runner and should go straight in.That way you can still work on the 928 at your leisure.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:49 pm 
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blimey Lee thats come out of the blue ?
With your luck lately I shouldn't go making any important decisions like air travel etc :lol:

If you have that much fuel in the sump i would guess that it has found its way there by another route other than the rings. Its unlikely that sufficient unburnt fuel could bypass the pistons unless one or more of your injectors was stuck open and leaking .

You could do a quick compression test to eliminate the rings anyway.
Next I would do a quick check on your fuel pressure . if its down whilst running that could be the source of the excess fuel getting into the sump

i would also look at the other routes that the fuel could take . I'm pretty sure I read recently of someone having the same problem and found the fuel was getting into his sump venting system somehow? maybe from the vacumn system via the FPR ?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:02 am 
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If you are just going to use it as a daily runner , cut your losses and fit the £150 engine thats for sale in parts.It's allegedly a good runner and should go straight in.That way you can still work on the 928 at your leisure.
Toby

Problem is the 928 is now fully up and running again and the Insignia is the daily driver. It might in all reality sit in the drive for a full year. I've spoke to Alan and he will get me a cost to transport the engine up to Scotland. I'll think about it once I know how much.
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blimey Lee thats come out of the blue ?
With your luck lately I shouldn't go making any important decisions like air travel etc :lol:

If you have that much fuel in the sump i would guess that it has found its way there by another route other than the rings. Its unlikely that sufficient unburnt fuel could bypass the pistons unless one or more of your injectors was stuck open and leaking .

You could do a quick compression test to eliminate the rings anyway.
Next I would do a quick check on your fuel pressure . if its down whilst running that could be the source of the excess fuel getting into the sump

i would also look at the other routes that the fuel could take . I'm pretty sure I read recently of someone having the same problem and found the fuel was getting into his sump venting system somehow? maybe from the vacumn system via the FPR ?

You're right Peanut. But do I want to spend time and money on a car I might not drive for months at a time?
I know that sounds negative, but I really like the car and wouldn't want it to go. But I've got a 928 now.

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hi there i am in falkirk and have a 2.5 engine on the engine stand at the moment, if you need a engine i am open to offers.

cheers roy.

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ROY924GT wrote:
hi there i am in falkirk and have a 2.5 engine on the engine stand at the moment, if you need a engine i am open to offers.

cheers roy.

Roy, I've sent you my phone number. We can talk. What is the condition of the engine, where did it come from? Will I get a friends rate because I sit next to you at the meetings?

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Tough luck Lee. :( Though you can get an engine for less than a clutch. :cry: (Which is what mines waiting for.)

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hi there i tried calling but no answer.

the engine is from a 86 924s with around 140000, ran well with no issues.

the engine is available as engine only all ancillaries have been stripped off.
ie. no manifolds, clutch or alternator.

it has has new valves fitted in its past and has had a new water pump fitted not long before it was taken of the road.

£100 or i will keep it and stick it in my 924 at some point.

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Roy, call me again or text me your number and I will call you. Your number must have been blocked so I can't call you back.

I don't normaly answer numbers I don't know.

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Roy, I want the engine. Please call me when you get a chance. I will see you on Wednesday at the meeting and give you the money.

I can't be "Lee 944" and not have a 944? J.J. please feel free to tell me what an idiot I am for keeping going! Looks like the leather on the 928 will have wait. It will be more fun changing the engine than getting covered in leather paint anyway.

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Lee why don't you contact Roy through his ebay shop ?
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/porsche-decal-shop
Best of luck with the engine swop , I gave up all that nonsense 20 years ago lol.

Lying in the gutter ,pressing an overdrive gearbox onto the drive shaft of an MGB, whilst the rain water ran into the collar of my overalls and out of the trouser end :shock:
I'd have given you a hand with the engine exchange but Scotland is such a long way :roll:

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Thanks for the offer Peanut, I do have access to a beavertail. If it's not on the road by Christmas, I might come down with it! Only kidding.

Thanks for the engine Roy, it probably needs to come out to clean up the engine bay.

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Lee 944 wrote:
Roy, I want the engine. Please call me when you get a chance. I will see you on Wednesday at the meeting and give you the money.

I can't be "Lee 944" and not have a 944? J.J. please feel free to tell me what an idiot I am for keeping going! Looks like the leather on the 928 will have wait. It will be more fun changing the engine than getting covered in leather paint anyway.


If your an idiot then I'm a bigger one! The clutch & gearbox rebuild in mine will end up at £1500 by the time it's finished & installed. Could just go out & buy another for that. But you get to a point where you just want to finish it. Nothing left to fix once it's done. You could always go for a full rebuild instead of a second hand engine! Then you know it will be right! :lol:

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Mmmmmm, you've got a good point there J.J. I could put the engine off Roy in and rebuild mine during the winter, perhaps put the original engine back in it next summer. With all the original horses and torque back in it?

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Sounds like you could have a busy time ahead Lee, and with that ZR to sort as well you'll be busy for a while!


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