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Author:  Harry0075 [ Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to buy?
Hi all,

Thanks for the warm welcome so far, I had a question about a car I am close to buying. Its an '86 LUX (with a 3.0 S2 engine) but it doesn't have any rear seats in it. Is anyone aware if there is a possibility to retrofit lap belts into it without much modification? Are the rear seats bolted in and does it require removal?

I don't have the car yet so I'm unable to check but one of the assumptions i'm making is that the lap belts can be retrofitted, I'd like to know if that's possible from you knowledgeable folk, and also if there are any specific types of seat belts that I need to purchase (or is it fairly generic)?

PS - I've done a search and the main content that I could find was related to 3-point belts but i'm currently looking at lap belts only.

Many thanks all.
Author:  Waylander [ Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
think you will find lap belts were only in the cab and will be illegal fitted in a coupe
Author:  tr7v8 [ Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
Rear belts were law in Europe long before they were compulsory here. So generally a lot of cars sold across Europe have the fixings in place.
My go to place for any sort of seatbelt work is Quickfit SBS https://www.quickfitsbs.com/
Quickfit have made custom belts for me for various cars, including colour matched ones.


Just checked rear belts had to be fitted 1st April 87 wearing for adults started in 1991

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Author:  Harry0075 [ Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
tr7v8 wrote:
Rear belts were law in Europe long before they were compulsory here. So generally a lot of cars sold across Europe have the fixings in place.
My go to place for any sort of seatbelt work is Quickfit SBS https://www.quickfitsbs.com/
Quickfit have made custom belts for me for various cars, including colour matched ones.


Just checked rear belts had to be fitted 1st April 87 wearing for adults started in 1991

.

Thank you, good info. When I get the car I’ll check to see if there are fixings in place, the car is September 86 so I’m hoping even though there are none in there , hopefully mounting points exist. Thanks for the link too.
Author:  hotblack944 [ Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
My '86 had lap belts when I got it in ’97. I swapped them out for fixed 3 point belts when the kids were little. All the fixings were there for 3 point belts. The lap belts will be in the garage somewhere...
Author:  Harry0075 [ Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
hotblack944 wrote:
My '86 had lap belts when I got it in ’97. I swapped them out for fixed 3 point belts when the kids were little. All the fixings were there for 3 point belts. The lap belts will be in the garage somewhere...


Hi jim,

That's good info to know, many thanks. Also if you are able to locate the lap belts and you no longer need them i'm happy to buy them off you. Although I guess it depends how much stuff is in your garage as to whether you'll be able to find them, I sometimes put things away thinking they're safe only to never be found again :)

Thanks for the info, and if you do manage to find them and don't need them please let me know. Thanks.
Harry
Author:  996driver [ Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
My 1986 Lux had the bolt holes in place to fit rear seat belts. I never bothered but with the seats removed it was easy to see the locations
Author:  sam [ Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
hotblack944 wrote:
My '86 had lap belts when I got it in ’97. I swapped them out for fixed 3 point belts when the kids were little. All the fixings were there for 3 point belts. The lap belts will be in the garage somewhere...

Think they are under those old moth eaten front seats you have been trying to knock out for donkeys years Jim? 8)
Author:  hotblack944 [ Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
:lol: Pretty sure I sold those a while back.
Author:  hotblack944 [ Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
Exactly where I left them:

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Some (slightly rusty) for sale on eBay: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5348 ... Sw0d1b~S8r

Belts look like they're still available new from Porsche:
47785779570B Lap belt 06 £167.76

Cheers,

Jim
Author:  Waylander [ Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
I just can’t understand why you would compromise safety for one extra bolt and go for lap belts over 3 point, not my problem I just don’t get it
Author:  Harry0075 [ Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
Appreciate the responses all. As I dont have the car yet it's difficult for me to be certain what will fit and what wouldn't. Clearly if I uncover it all and see there's space for a 3 point harness that will be what I'll do. Currently in my old SL and the 80's 911 I had previously both had lap belts.

Thanks again for the replies all! I'll be sure to update the thread once I have the car.
Author:  944 Man [ Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rear Lap Belts - Can I retrofit in a car i'm about to bu
Waylander wrote:
think you will find lap belts were only in the cab and will be illegal fitted in a coupe


This really isnt true.

All 944s had fixed laps until 1987 when rear inertia belts were fitted to meet new regulations. Earlier cars can take fixed three point belts (all 924 derived cars have three mounting points per side at the rear), but do not have the mounting brackets fitted to accommodate the inertia reel.

Inertia laps were available as an option and they were standard on '86 Turbos.

I had a set for years, but sold them here about a decade ago.
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