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Author: | tr7v8 [ Fri May 10, 2013 11:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Firstly Hi & welcome ![]() |
Author: | turbotim3 [ Fri May 10, 2013 11:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
tr7v8 wrote: Firstly Hi & welcome ![]() Thanks for that Jim. Its taken me over a year to do it and there is quite a bit more to do and then I've got to squeeze it in the car. I am really looking forward to driving it and hopefully a meet or two. Cheers Tim |
Author: | 951Torqing [ Fri May 10, 2013 11:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Hello & Welcome to a (seriously) tweaked 944. Wow thats impressive stuff, lets hope the rest of the car copes with it ok. Do watch the back end particularly in the wet. Who have you insured with just out of interest? Clive |
Author: | DaveM [ Fri May 10, 2013 12:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Welcome, nice looking S2. I was enjoying the build up and photos and 472lbs ft/676hp! That is impressive. |
Author: | turbotim3 [ Fri May 10, 2013 12:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
951Torqing wrote: Hello & Welcome to a (seriously) tweaked 944. Wow thats impressive stuff, lets hope the rest of the car copes with it ok. Do watch the back end particularly in the wet. Who have you insured with just out of interest? Clive Cheers Clive. The car is off the road at present (sorn) Not insured at present, except for storage Cheer Tim |
Author: | sumpcracker [ Fri May 10, 2013 12:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
That is amazing. Realy nice build and quality of work. I have been planning a 3.0 16v turbo, but not at this level of build! |
Author: | pauly [ Fri May 10, 2013 2:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
NICE but why didn't you use the 3.0 crank ?. I had a 87 Cosworth for 13 years and as impressive as the engines are the 944 chassis is much better. I've been collecting the parts for a 8v 3.0 ![]() |
Author: | Sean Smallman [ Fri May 10, 2013 4:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
A really interesting thread, looking forward to seeing the car one day ![]() |
Author: | turbotim3 [ Fri May 10, 2013 6:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
pauly wrote: NICE but why didn't you use the 3.0 crank ?. I had a 87 Cosworth for 13 years and as impressive as the engines are the 944 chassis is much better. I've been collecting the parts for a 8v 3.0 ![]() We build a 2.2 litre Cosworth engine running 32 psi of boost and see 725bhp and 600lbs/ft on super unleaded. Now this is going in a four wheel drive race car. A 3.0 litre engine running boost would produce to much torque for a two wheel drive car. So I thought I would reduce the stoke, increase the rod ratio and bore to stroke ratio. The engine rev's better and helps keep the torque under control, but makes good bhp. She still had 634bhp/413lbsft @ 8000 rpm. Your 8 valve 3.0 litre will make big torque but will struggle to rev, don't get me wrong it will still be a good set up. I've done this build as a project and got a little carried away. I would love to put some serious camshafts in it to see what it could really do. Dry sump sounds good |
Author: | 333pg333 [ Fri May 10, 2013 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Hi, I'm not a regular on this forum but it's great to read your write up and to see others around the world building up special motors for these cars. Your car looks great too. ![]() I would have thought you'd see higher hp figures with all that boost you're running. The stock 16v heads flow pretty well although I believe the 968 head flows even better than the S2. What fuel were you running through it? The main problem you will have with these motors is the headgasket. We have been running the Cometic h/g for a few years now on E85 and they will split around the compression ring due to cylinder head vibration. Having the 3L block will help due to the siamesed bores but you still may have these issues depending on how/where you drive it. As a pure road going car where you're only on boost for short bursts you could be ok for some time. On the track with more sustained boost is where they come apart...but the beauty of the metal h/g is you can wind down the boost and still drive home in most cases. Been there, done that. That's a pretty large Throttle body. Be interesting to hear your impressions of this on the road as far as transient response. Have you any more pics of the turbo mounted correctly under the intake? Nice way of handling the intake without going crazy. As for reducing the torque by design. Looks to be plenty at quite early in the rpms (but at pretty high boost). ps...nobody runs these motors at such high boost even though this is not super high nowdays. A few people have run without balance shafts but not all are super happy with the outcome. Keep us in the loop how you go without yours. As others have suggested, you will need to attend to other parts of the car to cope with the extra grunt. Suspension and brakes might need a touch up. I'd also suggest putting in a trans brace to guard against lateral movement which will bring the CVs and driveshafts undone. Sorry, phone pics aren't the best but you get the idea. Just some cheap insurance. I've also got stiffer engine/trans mounts on the track car. Look forward to reading more of your progress. Thanks for posting. ![]() ps...what are the Aussie rods you're running? Didn't know we did any down here for these cars? ![]() ![]() |
Author: | pauly [ Fri May 10, 2013 9:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
turbotim3 wrote: pauly wrote: NICE but why didn't you use the 3.0 crank ?. I had a 87 Cosworth for 13 years and as impressive as the engines are the 944 chassis is much better. I've been collecting the parts for a 8v 3.0 ![]() Your 8 valve 3.0 litre will make big torque but will struggle to rev, don't get me wrong it will still be a good set up. I've done this build as a project and got a little carried away. I would love to put some serious camshafts in it to see what it could really do. Dry sump sounds good I'll be building the engine for mid range grunt, not planing on running more than 18 lbs boost or revving over 6500. I'm only around 30 miles south of P,boro so would be interested in seeing the engine and talking about the liners/pistons etc. |
Author: | PaulSmith [ Fri May 10, 2013 9:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Hi Tim, welcome to the forum ![]() It's nice to see someone doing something slightly different to our cars and with your background it has taken you down a path not often travelled in the 944 community. Those boost levels scare the bejesus out of me, most of the modified 944T's never go over 18psi peak boost. I can't wait to hear how she goes once the engine is back in the car so please keep the updates coming ![]() |
Author: | 333pg333 [ Sat May 11, 2013 2:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
Exactly Paul, that's why I was wondering what fuel Tim was using. Can't see it being UK pump from what I understand. |
Author: | DaveM [ Sat May 11, 2013 8:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My 944 S2 16 valve turbo project |
I don't see why it wouldn't be standard super plus. There's plenty of cossies, skylines, supras, etc running around with 500bhp plus on it. I know the 944 lump is very different with the top of the bores able to move a bit but if you can get enough fuel and air into the engine why not super plus? |
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