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This looks good & much cheaper to dabble in than anything the MSA can do.
http://www.javelinsprintdays.co.uk/

Very interesting Jim, I would be tempted by this if it wasn't so North lol

We are looking at having a club sprint day soon

Hi All

Not as cheap as drag racing on a Run What You Brung day at Santa Pod http://www.rwyb.co.uk/index.php ....which costs £35 compared to this at £139 ....

All the best Brett

You mean like this one? http://forums.tipec.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=21195

I sprint and speed hill climb in MSA events.
They are more expensive but you get than the TIPEC day at Curborough, but I would suggest they are very similarly priced to the Javelin days:

The opportunity to compete in championships and win awards
Full timing services and results print out
A good scrutineering service
Trained marshalls in the event something goes wrong
Medical support with a doctor and an ambulance at every event
Fire service at every event
Damaged/broken car recovery from the track

The TIPEC sprint day at Curborough is good fun (I took part last year) but it is not the same as an out and out competitive event.

David

David, the reason the Javelin sprints are cheaper is they have a more realistic attitude to safety kit. No need for fireproofs in road going etc.
Discussion on Uphill Racers that there will be lots of people dropping out from sprinting & hillclimb this year due to the above, HANs, massive changes for the Westies & Caterhams in terms of ROPs. The latter making them unsuitable as normal road going.

Jim,

I understand that but I think saving on safety is a bad idea.

david

Jim,

Have a look at the photos of the final roll of a Westfield at Curborough last year and then tell me that saving on safety is a good plan.

http://js012a1800.jalbum.net/Curborough ... ly%202015/

David

Hi

I think Jim is correct on this...

Most of us who would come to this type of event have road cars....

Even mine lol (daily driver) ...and scrutineering on mine would be fun... they would like my 3 layer nomex suit and helmet, and race seat and 6 point harnesses and twin extinguishers, but I suspect they would hate my 130 db and huge Nitrous system....

I actually know someone who Hill climbs and uses Nitrous (i fill his bottles for him ) and the regs says he should run the Nitrous pipes UNDER the car.... now I know a LOT about nitrous and that idea was banned in the US for safety reasons in the sixties

Sometimes I think the event organisers are not interested in getting new people into their sport...its more about the people already in it....

As an example I would love to have a go at hill climbing (on tarmac) and i suspect my car with its enormous amounts of horsepower available would be pretty good at it....but I seriously doubt i would ever pass scrutineering unless they have a sort of amateur day where ANY car could try it ???

All the best Brett

David, so how far do you go on safety regs? A few have had that view on UR but, how many road going saloons have caught fire in speed events? So why do you have to wear a full nomex? It is fine for people in their (MSA) Ivory tower to cover their arses but you have to do sensible risk analysis.
The MSA is just completely out of touch with club motorsport.
One of the reasons for getting the MX5 & dumping the Boxster was to have a go at a speed event or two in 2016. With the ridiculous safety kit demands, totally out of all proportion to the risk involved means I won't do it, not as an MSA event anyway.
The first Javelin event is fully booked, just a shame they are all too far north. Although the Snetterton one may be a possibility. And because of the way it works I can licence for the one event. I can do it with the helmet I have & can wear what I would on a track day.

Edited to say yes the Westie was bad but that was the first big off for a fair while. A fully caged Westie or Cat is unusable as a fun road car. Aside from the cost & upheaval required.

Hi

I must add i am totally into safety....

When I was a drag racing crew chief there was a guy in the US who asked a Top Fuel driver why he paid nearly $3000 for a Simpson breather helmet... (they allow you to breathe in a Nitro Methane fire for around 90 seconds...time enough hopefully to get out of the Dragster)

The answer was....well if you have a 10 dollar brain, buy a 10 dollar helmet ...

All the best Brett

This is the whole issue Brett I suspect your helmet, seat, harness & suit wouldn't pass scrutineering. For a start you'd be in the Sports Libre class which means FIA seat & harness, all in date. Your helmet would need HANS posts & you'd need a HANS. It would have to have a full cage, welded not bolted to MSA specs. Nitrous cannot run through the car unless in a duct. And 130dB wuld be a complete nonstarter, typically it is around the 100dB mark.

Hi

Just out of interest for me and others, does not a Hans device mean you MUST have a full cage to attach it to ?

Or am I wrong ??


All the best Brett

Nope, HANs attaches to two posts on the helmet. The HANS itself then traps under the shoulder straps & stops the head whipping forward under impact.
Now compulsory for MSA events for everything except road going.