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 Post subject: Re: 1989 944 Front Suspension Struts
PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:38 pm 
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I've bought the B6's with the model number 34-000403 for front which appears to be the softer option, however I was never offered the other option. I have the model number 24-020527 for the rears. I have been informed by Bilstein that this is the correct pairing between front and rear and will be ever so slightly firmer but nowhere near harsh. I'll find out when they're fitted.


Thanks Mike, at least your using your old original springs (which may of lost some of their strength and be softer) and if your on stock 15" wheels with large sidewalls? you've a fair chance the stiffer Bilsteins will not be too dramatic an increase.

I've gone from stock sachs / boge then to Spax Gas adjustables which were stiffer (as I expected) , but then I changed all 4
to Bilstein B6's all round but they are much stiffer than the Spax which surprised me as I was hoping they may be less so.


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I was informed that the springs make a huge difference, if i stick with the original springs (which I fully intend to) then the difference should only be better quality road feel and handling. Did you change your springs an aftermarket option?

I am using the original teledials but I am considering changing for the D90's as my wheels need a lot of refurbing and may not be too much more to buy a decent set of D90's and use the teledials for the winter.

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MichaelW944 wrote:
924srr27l wrote:
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I've bought the B6's with the model number 34-000403 for front which appears to be the softer option, however I was never offered the other option. I have the model number 24-020527 for the rears. I have been informed by Bilstein that this is the correct pairing between front and rear and will be ever so slightly firmer but nowhere near harsh. I'll find out when they're fitted.

Thanks Mike, at least your using your old original springs (which may of lost some of their strength and be softer) and if your on stock 15" wheels with large sidewalls? you've a fair chance the stiffer Bilsteins will not be too dramatic an increase.
I've gone from stock sachs / boge then to Spax Gas adjustables which were stiffer (as I expected) , but then I changed all 4
to Bilstein B6's all round but they are much stiffer than the Spax which surprised me as I was hoping they may be less so.
R


I was informed that the springs make a huge difference, if i stick with the original springs (which I fully intend to) then the difference should only be better quality road feel and handling. Did you change your springs an aftermarket option?

I am using the original teledials but I am considering changing for the D90's as my wheels need a lot of refurbing and may not be too much more to buy a decent set of D90's and use the teledials for the winter.


I'm using 2.25 ID Race coils (190 lbs) which compare to a stock 944 @ approx 140lbs rate, but I've used these same springs with the Spax and then the Bilsteins expecting a little more give asthe Spax gas dampers have been around for years and are a bit crude and generally harder than normal road shocks, hence why they were used in Racing in the 80's and 90's before many other manufacturer's started to feature.

I'd try them with your 15's first only a stiffer set of shocks and heavier 16" wheels & tyres with less compliance / smaller sidewall ratio will be a double change and noticeably stiffer, which you might like ? however it's a reasonable job to complete or pay for to have all 4 shocks to be changed / the struts cut and welded and a 4 wheel Geo set up just to find you're not too keen?


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I'm having to have the suspension changed due to mine being completely shot and options being limited I've gone for the B6's. I'll find out in time if it's better than stock but i'm hoping it'll just be better handling and not too much loss of comfort if any. As i said before, I've been informed it's all about the springs for comfort so as long as I don't change them I'm hoping the ride will be reasonably similar.

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MichaelW944 wrote:
I'm having to have the suspension changed due to mine being completely shot and options being limited I've gone for the B6's. I'll find out in time if it's better than stock but i'm hoping it'll just be better handling and not too much loss of comfort if any. As i said before, I've been informed it's all about the springs for comfort so as long as I don't change them I'm hoping the ride will be reasonably similar.


Yes that's my point, it isn't all about the springs for comfort a highly charged Sport mono tube damper has an effect
on the speed the shocks return (Piston extraction) from bump.

You'll soon see and should be fine I'm sure.
If not you can always change the other springs (Tyres) and use more comfortable ones (Michelin - softer sidewalls) and try lower pressures etc...

It's a pity Bilstein don't list the 944 application in their normal OE B4 Damper and also a complete leg ready to
bolt on as this would be perfect.
https://www.bilstein-shocks.co.uk/colle ... ilstein_b4

Is there any good companies around P'boro for 4 wheel alignment, this makes a big difference if done well.

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All of this has been an interesting read...
BUT going back to my original question, can an early front strut with a screw thread be fitted to a 1989 non turbo model??

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All of this has been an interesting read...
BUT going back to my original question, can an early front strut with a screw thread be fitted to a 1989 non turbo model??

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No, you'll need to find someone to cut your original leg and weld on a screw section. It appears to be something good specialists do regularly but it's quite labour intensive. All of what has been said above is because screwing an early strut on is not possible.

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MichaelW944 wrote:
I'm having to have the suspension changed due to mine being completely shot and options being limited I've gone for the B6's. I'll find out in time if it's better than stock but i'm hoping it'll just be better handling and not too much loss of comfort if any. As i said before, I've been informed it's all about the springs for comfort so as long as I don't change them I'm hoping the ride will be reasonably similar.


Yes that's my point, it isn't all about the springs for comfort a highly charged Sport mono tube damper has an effect
on the speed the shocks return (Piston extraction) from bump.

You'll soon see and should be fine I'm sure.
If not you can always change the other springs (Tyres) and use more comfortable ones (Michelin - softer sidewalls) and try lower pressures etc...

It's a pity Bilstein don't list the 944 application in their normal OE B4 Damper and also a complete leg ready to
bolt on as this would be perfect.
https://www.bilstein-shocks.co.uk/colle ... ilstein_b4

Is there any good companies around P'boro for 4 wheel alignment, this makes a big difference if done well.

R


The specialist i'm using has a good company he uses and he took me through the best way to do it and I'm happy he knows what he's talking about.

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DICKO74 wrote:
All of this has been an interesting read...
BUT going back to my original question, can an early front strut with a screw thread be fitted to a 1989 non turbo model??

Cheers


NO, the bracket on the bottom of the early strut won't fit the later stub axle.

The only way is to cut your struts, have a threaded piece welded on and fit a shock absorber insert inside.

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Hi all, I am a new member. Just joined today.
I need front shocks for my Porsche 944 1989 2.7.
Design911 only have front right.
They are the sealed ones where I have to get the whole leg.
Inserts only are not suitable.
I need straight swap ones
Any ideas please.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 9:02 pm 
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The front suspension legs are £700 each from Porsche and were made years ago, a lot of people have had to return them as they were no good. The only option is to have a specialist adapt your suspension legs to fit the aftermarket suspension like Koni or Bilstein.

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MichaelW944 wrote:
The front suspension legs are £700 each from Porsche and were made years ago, a lot of people have had to return them as they were no good. The only option is to have a specialist adapt your suspension legs to fit the aftermarket suspension like Koni or Bilstein.


Fully agree. Last manufactured 2003 and totally shot before fitting. I sent mine back.

It's a common topic and similar questions come up a lot. Should probably be included in the FAQ.

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So I am better off with some good front shocks from a breakers from a 2.7 car.
Anyone knows a good breakers for Porsche in the south east?


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dames944 wrote:
So I am better off with some good front shocks from a breakers from a 2.7 car.
Anyone knows a good breakers for Porsche in the south east?

I have a full set of Koni shocks, the fronts of which are bolted into some S2 tubes (i.e. narrow spring perch). I'd be quite happy to sell the shocks with the tubes ready to bolt straight on to your car, or sell the shocks separately if you have the broad perch tubes. Conversion of your items is a simple job with a hacksaw and electric drill.

PM me if interested.


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ETA: I'm in London but would be happy to post.


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So I am better off with some good front shocks from a breakers from a 2.7 car.
Anyone knows a good breakers for Porsche in the south east?


No you're not. You have no idea as to how good they are, they could easily be as bad as your shocks. You need new ones.

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Hi Oli,
PM'd you. It is sitting in my outbox, and not coming up under sent messages.
Please excuse me, not familiar with the forum yet. Have you received the PM, or does a moderator have to OK it first, before it leaves my outbox.

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